14,913. I thought you said you had been bound for four years?- Yes. It is four years since we were bound to fish for him regularly; he got the tack then.
14,914. Have you been fishing for Mr. Anderson for these four years?-Yes; three years we delivered the fish to him salt, and one year green.
14,915. Then all you were bound to do was to deliver your fish to him, either salt or green?-Yes.
14,916. You could cure them or not, as you liked?-Yes, for the first three years; but this year he would not allow us to cure them.
14,917. Was that because the quality of your cured fish was not good?-The fish were good.
14,918. Did he not a.s.sign that to you as the reason?-No. When I was told not to salt the fish last season, I went to him and asked him if that was on account of bad fish, and he said, No, he could not say that it was.
14,919. Did he give you any reason for not allowing you to continue to cure your own fish?-Very little.
14,920. Did he give any reason at all?-He said that other fishermen in the neighbourhood were thinking that they might be allowed to cure their fish as well.
14,921. Do you think fishermen generally can cure their own fish as well as when they are cured by a factor who gives his whole time to it?-I think so, provided they would pay a little attention to it themselves.
14,922. Do you get your supplies at the shop at Ollaberry?-Yes; or from Mr. Anderson"s factor at the fishing station at Hamnavoe.
14,923. Can you get these supplies as cheap at Ollaberry as you can get them anywhere else?-Yes. He made an arrangement last year that the meal was to be all one price, whether it was got at the station or at Ollaberry. We got it a little cheaper by taking it from Ollaberry the year before; but he made the regulation last year that it was to be all one price.
14,924. But do you get it as cheap there as you could get it from any other shop in the country?-No. If we had our money we could get it a little cheaper from Lerwick, or from other places.
14,925. How do you know that?-Because I buy some things from Lerwick, such as meal and tea, and I sometimes get the meal a little cheaper, according as the market there is high or low.
14,926. Have you any pa.s.s-books or accounts to show the prices you pay for the articles you get?-No. I kept a pa.s.s-book for a year or so, but I rather thought the prices were too high, and it annoyed me to look at it, and so I gave it up.
14,927. Did you think the prices were higher because you had the pa.s.s-book?-No. I thought they were rather too high, at any rate.
14,928. Did it not annoy you quite as much to hear the prices in your account read over to you?-When my account was read over at the time when I paid it, I knew that the price was high; but I do not think there was anything in the account except what I had had.
14,929. Is the price of your meal mentioned to you at the time when you get it at Ollaberry?-Very seldom.
14,930. Do you ask to know the price?-Sometimes we ask, and sometimes we do not.
14,931. Does the price vary throughout the season?-[Page 376]
Yes, sometimes it does, according, to the rise and fall in the market.
14,932. It is not sold at one price all the year round at that shop?- No.
14,933. Do you buy your own boats at Ollaberry?-I had a boat of my own until four years ago; since then I have had a hired boat.
The boat hire is 2, 10s. I got my lines ordered for me from the Glasgow market, because I thought I got them a little cheaper in that way. 21/4 lb. lines cost me 1s. 11d., including freight and everything.
14,934. Do you get any 2-lb. lines?-No; but we can get them at Ollaberry. They charge 2s. for them there. A 21/4 lb. line would be charged 2s. 3d. there if paid in cash, and 2s. 6d. if marked down to be paid for by instalments.
14,935. Can you show me any account for the lines you get from Glasgow?-No; it is five years since got them from there.
14,936. Were the prices you have mentioned as being paid for lines at Ollaberry the same as you would have paid there five years ago?-Yes, the price has been the same. The lines I am using now are the same lines that I got from the market for myself.
14,937. Did you buy a great quant.i.ty of them at that time?-I bought 25 buchts.
14,938. Did you get them for yourself only, or was it to sell to your neighbours as well?-It was for myself only.
14,939. Is there anything else you wish to say?-With regard to the fishing, I would like liberty to sell my fish to any man who would give me the highest price for them, or to cure for myself. We had some casks for storing salt, and we broke them down, and parted the staves among the partners to whom they belonged. Then there was a fish vat which is my own, and it is lying on the beach, and no man to buy it from me. It has been a loss to me altogether.
14,940. Was that in consequence of the intimation that you were to fish for your landlord?-Yes, and that I was to stop salting my fish.
14,941. Can you not get all your supplies at a cheaper shop than Ollaberry if you choose?-I could get them from other parties cheaper, but I don"t have the money in my hands to get them cheaper at present.
14,942. Can you not get the money as an advance upon your fishing?-No. We could get a little, but not to a great extent.
14,943. Could you not get as much as would buy you a boll of meal?-Yes, but that would not serve for boat for the fishing season. We would need nearly two sacks.
14,944. Could you not get an advance of money upon your fishing large enough to buy that in Lerwick?-I don"t think it; but there are other things required besides that. There are tea and sugar, and various other things that are necessary for the use of the men when they are at the fishing.
14,945. Do you think you would buy any cheaper if you had the money to buy these things with yourself, instead of getting them on credit from the merchant?-Yes, I would be cheaper.
14,946. Would you be any better off if your money was paid to you fortnightly or monthly?-Yes, if I was at liberty to sell my fish to any one who would give me the highest price for them; but if I am bound to give my fish to any particular man, and he gives me no higher price than he pleases, I would be no better off.
14,947. From whom did the free men you mentioned get 8s. 6d. for their green fish while you only got 8s?-From Mr. Anderson. That was at the settlement this year.
14,948. How many free men got that price from him?-There were four free men in that boat, and two tenants; but the six men that were in my boat were all tenants.
14,949. Did your boat get 8s. per cwt. for all the fish of the season?-Yes; and the others got 8s. 6d.
14,950. Did the two men in the other boat who were tenants get 8s.
6d. also?-I think they all got the same.
14,951. Where did the four men who were not tenants come from?-They live at Colafirth. They bought their boat and lines, and agreed to pay for them. We asked for 3d. per cwt. extra because the lines we used were our own, but they would not give it.
14,952. Do these four men not live on Mr. Anderson"s land?- Two of them live on his land, and two on Busta.
14,953. If two of them live on Anderson"s land, how are they free?-They are not free. They sell their fish to him.
14,954. But you said four of the men were free: where do they live?-They live at Colafirth, on the property of Mr. Gifford of Busta.
14,955. Do all the four free men live there?-Yes.
14,956. Was there any reason why they got 6d. more than you, except that they were free men and lived on the Busta property?- No; I knew of no other reason.
14,957. Did they not buy their boat and lines?-Yes, they had their own lines, but the lines we had belonged to ourselves too.
14,958. Was it said that they got a higher price because they had their own boat and lines?-Yes.
14,959. Did Mr. Irvine say so?-Mr. Irvine did not settle with these men. It was Mr. John Anderson himself.
14,960. Did he say that he gave them the higher price because the boat and lines were their own?-Yes.
14,961. He did not say it was because they were free men?-No, he did not say that; but had they not been free men, I don"t think they would have got it.