16,132. Is that two cuts of 3d. worsted?-No, it is mohair. But there will be other veils of the same kind which will be worth not more than 18d. or 20d., and therefore the profit which we get upon one veil is no proof as to the amount of profit, if any, which is got upon the whole.
16,133. What quant.i.ty of worsted is there in a veil like that?- About 1/4 oz. The price of that worsted is about 36s. now, but I paid 32s. 6d. for it. Taking it at 32s., that would be 2s. per oz., and therefore 1/4 oz. would be 6d.
16,134. How many bad lots might you have in an ordinary time in such veils?-The only way of getting at that would be by examining our books. This very season I had a lot of about 30 dozen veils, which cost me altogether about 45, and I sold them for about the lot.
16,135. How did that happen?-Just because I could get no more for them. I would have been very glad to have got more if I could.
I may mention that there is not 20 per cent. of these veils which realize the price I have mentioned of 33s. per dozen, although they all cost that price. Most of them run about 2s. 2d. or 2s., or something like that.
Lerwick, February 5, 1872, ELIZABETH MALCOMSON, recalled.
16,136. [Produces black veil.] Have you bought this veil from Mr.
Linklater?-Yes. He says these veils sell at 18s. a dozen, or 1s.
6d. apiece; but this one is undressed, and therefore I only paid 1s.
41/2d. for it.
16,137. Is this one of the veils which you knitted, and for which you got 9d.?-Yes.
16,138. Do you not know the value of the worsted required for it?-No.
16,139. You said you know the value of the worsted in the shawls you knit?-Yes.
16,140. Then how do you not happen to know the value of the worsted in the veil?-Because I knitted them for myself in the one case, and in the other I always got the worsted to knit them with.
Lerwick, February 5, 1872, ALEXANDER MUNRO, examined.
16,141. What are you?-I am second officer of Customs at the port of Lerwick.
16,142. How long have you been in that position?-Fully five years.
16,143. Were you here before it was usual to pay the seamen engaged in the Greenland voyages at the Custom House regularly?-No; I came here in the first year that the special regulations came into effect-1867.
16,144. Did it come under your notice after you came here, that the men who received their wages at the Custom House were frequently indebted to the agents by whom they were engaged?-I am not cognisant of the fact whether they were indebted or not.
16,145. Were you not aware that settlements were sometimes made with the clerk of the agents, or the agents themselves, for accounts due to them at the time when the men were receiving their wages before the superintendent?-Yes, I understood so.
16,146. Was that frequent during the first year that you were here?-Yes.
16,147. Were these settlements actually made in 1867 in the Custom House?-There were deductions taken from the balances shown to be due to the seamen, in addition to the deductions specified in the agreement.
16,148. Did the superintendent interfere to prevent these deductions from being made in his office?-Yes; the parties were interfered with by the superintendent, and the practice was stopped.
16,149. Was that in 1867 or subsequently?-I think it must have been in 1869 or 1870.
16,150. Did the practice go on without interruption or objection until that time?-Not without interruption. We tried to stop it, but we did not succeed altogether until 1869 or 1870.
16,151. Since that time has any attempt been made, within your knowledge, to make a deduction of that kind in the Custom House?-Not so far as I am aware.
16,152. Have you been aware whether seamen have received the money payable to them under deduction of the agent"s account in any case?-I could not positively say, but I think I have seen it done.
16,153. Have you suspected that the seamen were receiving only a part of what was really payable to them?-Yes.
16,154. What reason had you to suspect that?-Because I could see them keeping the deduction off.
16,155. Is the money usually counted in presence of the superintendent or of yourself?-Yes.
16,156. Has that always been so?-No. It should always be done, but it has not been done at all times.
16,157. Is there sometimes a press of business which prevents it?-Yes, sometimes; and you cannot always keep your eye watching everybody.
16,158. Do the cases to which you refer, occur when there is a press of business?-Occasionally.
16,159. Are you aware that seamen coming to receive their wages at the Custom House have usually had a settlement with the agent beforehand at his office?-I am not aware of that.
16,160. Have you found, in the course of your experience, whether the seamen, when paid at the Custom House, generally know the amount of their account at the agent"s shop?-I am not aware of that either.
16,161. Have you at any time heard the agent, or his clerk, while settling with the seamen, or after settling with them, in presence of the superintendent, remind them that they had to go down to his office and pay their account?-I cannot say positively that I have heard the agents say that to the men, but I know that it was an understood thing that they should do so.
16,162. Is it not so now?-I fancy it is.
16,163. How did you know that it was understood?-I have overheard the agent and the men talking about it between themselves in the office. I could not exactly bring the words to my remembrance which I have heard used, but I have seen cases where a small balance might be due, and when the agent did not have change to settle with a man, he said he would settle when he came to settle the other account at the shop.
16,164. The matter has come under your notice in that way, so that you have come to be aware that it is a usual thing for the men to go down and pay their accounts [Page 410] after having been settled with at the Custom House?-I should fancy it has.
16,165. Have you had anything to do with the engagement of seamen?-Occasionally.
16,166. Are they ever engaged in presence of the superintendent?-For foreign-going vessels they are always engaged there.
16,167. Are they so engaged for the Greenland and sealing vessels?-Yes.
16,168. Is the agent present then and the captain of the vessel?- Yes.
16,169. Is the selection of the men usually left to the agent, or does the master of the vessel exercise a choice?-I fancy the agent collects the men and the master selects them out of the crowd.
16,170. Does the agent interfere with the selection?-I am not aware. They are all selected before they come before us.
16,171. Have you noticed whether in recent years the number of young hands engaged in the sealing and whaling voyages has been less than it was when you first came to the office?-I have not observed that.
16,172. Have you heard any of the men complain that they could not get their wages paid when they wanted them?-I have heard complaints with regard to the second payment of oil-money. The men said the agent had not got his return, or something to that effect, that he was not aware of the quant.i.ty being ascertained.
16,173. Is that the only complaint you have heard on the subject?-I think so.
16,174. Do you know whether there was any difficulty or objection on the part of the agents to comply with the regulations when they were issued?-There was little bit of difficulty, and I have no doubt there was little objection at the time.
16,175. What was the ground of it?-I cannot say, except that it was troublesome.
16,176. Was there no objection made to you or in your presence?-No; I cannot bring a case of that kind to recollection.
16,177. Then what was the difficulty or objection that you refer to?-I suppose it was the compulsion of bringing the men forward to be discharged, and producing store-books, and all that.