8379. What have you got to say about that?-At the time when I commenced to do that, I unfortunately was not clear with the man who now supplies me.
8380. Who is that?-Mr. Thomas Adie.
8381. Had you been a fisherman before?-No; I had been a sawyer for many years.
8382. Had you kept an account at Voe?-Yes.
8383. Were you behind with it?-Yes, a little.
8384. How much?-I could not exactly say, but it was a good deal.
8385. Was it 20?-Perhaps more at times, and sometimes less; but we will say it was that.
8386. What have you to say about it?-I want to speak about the way of supply, and the prices of provisions and other things; I never had my money at command.
8387. How long ago is it since you had that debt?-It is perhaps ten years ago since I commenced with one pauper, and then I got another one. I gave Mr. Adie leave to draw my money with which to settle my accounts, and I got supplies from him.
8388. Where do you draw your money from?-From the parishes that I had got the lunatics from.
8389. Was it because you were due Mr. Adie money when you left that you gave him leave to draw your money?-It was not that altogether. It was quite right, when I was due him an account, that he should be paid for it, but he drew my money from the parishes and supplied me with meal. Perhaps I required ten or twelve sacks a year. I do not get it all from him now. If I had had the use of my money, I might have tried to settle the old account with Mr. Adie and have got my meal where I liked, but I could not do that. With the money I could have got my articles at cost price. I asked my money from Mr. Adie, but he refused to give it me some years ago.
8390. He refused to give it you because you had made an arrangement with him that he was to draw the money?-Yes; not to lay it out, but only to draw it for me.
8391. Was it not the arrangement that he was to draw it for you in order that he might pay his own debt?-We never had any arrangement of that kind, but that was perhaps considered to be the arrangement both by him and me. I would have done that willingly.
8392. Have you squared up your accounts with Mr. Adie at any time?-It is a good while since I was able to do that without injuring me otherwise; but Adie having the use of my money, I got my things from him.
8393. What was the account for which was due to Mr. Adie?-For meal princ.i.p.ally, and clothing.
8394. Have you got an account?-Yes; it is in Mr. Adie"s book at Voe.
8395. Have you gone over every year at settling time and squared up your account, and seen how much you were due to him, or how much he was due to you, at the end of the year?-Sometimes I did and sometimes not. I knew that I was not able to meet that account, because I did not have the use of my money. If I wanted a dozen sacks of meal, I was always told that there was 2s. a sack as commission for the risk of getting it, and ultimately I wrote to the meal dealers in the south, and I found that there was a difference of 10s. on the sack of meal; that, upon 12 sacks, would have been a saving of 6 alone.
8396. Did you give Mr. Adie an order to the inspector to pay the money to him which was due to you?-Yes, I told Mr. Adie to draw it for me, and I signed an order that he was to draw it.
8397. And he has drawn it ever since?-Yes.
8398. Was that for the money which you were to get from Delting parish?-Yes.
8399. Is Mr. Adie a member of the Parochial Board of that parish?-Yes.
8400. Is he the chairman?-I don"t know.
8401. Who is the inspector of that parish?-Mr. Loutt.i.t.
8402. What do you think can be done for you?-I made my complaint to Mr. Adie lately about the state of these things; but it is not my wish to mention the names of any parties. It is only the practice that I object to.
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8403. What practice do you refer to?-This truck system, and the enormous prices that are charged.
8404. What have you to say about the prices? You have told me that you can save 6 on 12 sacks of meal by dealing south?-Yes, by dealing with Tod Brothers. I wrote to them about it, and they answered me.
8405. Have you got their answer?-No, I have not got it, but I remember it quite well.
8406. How long ago was that?-Just two or three years since.
8407. What was the price of Mr. Adie"s meal at that time?-It was 34s. per sack for Indian corn meal.
8408. What was the price of Messrs. Tod Brothers"?-22s.
8409. That was it difference of 12s. per sack?-Yes, but it left me to pay the freight, which would be about 2s. 6d.
8410. Could you have got the meal brought up here for 2s. 6d.?- Yes, or whatever the "Queen of the Isles" charged.
8411. How many sacks of Indian corn meal would you require in it year?-Perhaps about a dozen sacks.
8412. Do you feed the lunatics on that meal?-No, not the lunatics, but my own family, and sometimes the lunatics too.
8413. Have you made any comparison between the prices charged at Mr. Adie"s shop and elsewhere?-Yes. I could buy it at Mr.
Robertson"s store, at Vidlin, for 27s.; that, upon 12 sacks, would make it difference 4s. between the two places.
8414. Could you not have got your meal from Mr. Robertson"s store?-I got some of it, because I kept a party from Lunnasting, and I got part of my supplies there.
8415. Did you get your supplies for that lunatic from Lunnasting?-Occasionally, when I asked them.
8416. Had you an account there?-Yes; I could either get money or anything that I wanted which was due. I could not have done that with Mr. Adie; and therefore I have never been able to get clear of my debt to him.
8417. Did you bring your supplies all the way from Mr.
Robertson"s store to where you lived?-Yes.
8418. Was that because you kept a lunatic pauper from that parish?-Yes. I took advantage of that, because I could get my goods cheaper there but I could have got money as well, and have gone to any other place with it. If I had had money to get from Mr.
Adie, I would have got it from him too with good will, but I never had it to get, and it is that which has kept me deeper and deeper in spite of all I could do.
8419. Could you not have gone to the Parochial Board of Delting, and got your money whenever you pleased, instead of letting Mr.
Adie draw it?-I might have got it, but Mr. Adie at one settlement made up a line, and I was compelled to sign it, that he was to draw all the money which I had to get for the lunatic from that parish. I signed it because he wrote me a letter saying I was to come down and pay my account, and then to transfer my custom, which I was not able to do without leaving me dest.i.tute.
8420. Have you got that letter?-No.
8421. What did you do with it?-I just destroyed it carelessly.
8422. How long ago was that?-I could not exactly say. If I state it incorrectly, it is not done willingly, but it may have been three years since. At the same time I asked Mr. Adie to give me the use of my money, and to keep some of it in order to pay the old account, but he did not do it, and that is the main cause why I am so far behind. I could have had my account with him paid by the profits I could have saved from dealing in the south; I am perfectly sure of that.
8423. But if you wanted your money, why could you not have gone to the Parochial Board and told them to pay you, and not to regard Mr. Adie"s orders about it?-What would have become of what I was due to Mr. Adie if I had got the money from the Parochial Board? It was my duty, and I had to pay it to him. At that very time Mr. Adie told his shopman not to supply me unless I came to his shop with cash.
8424. But you wanted to stop going to him because you thought you could get your supplies cheaper elsewhere?-If I had got my supplies in the south, I could have paid him something yearly and lived better. I was making my complaint to Mr. Adie lately, and he promised (and no man was ever deceived in anything that Mr.
Adie ever promised, neither was I) that for the future I should get my things at cash price. So far as I am concerned, I have no cause of complaint now; but that has been the cause why I am in debt.
8425. How long ago was that arrangement made about getting your things at cash price?-It may be two or three months ago, and I have got a part of the debt realized since. I have no reason to doubt Mr. Adie"s word, or that of any of his sons.