15,406. Are you also employed in keeping paupers?-Yes, I have two old women-one from the parish of Lerwick, and one from the parish of Northmaven. I have 8 for the one from Northmaven. I only had 13s. for five months for the pauper who belonged to Lerwick, but now they have given me 1s. 6d. a week, which comes to 3, 18s. a year.
15,407. Who pays you these sums?-Mr. Greig.
15,408. Does he pay you for both the paupers?-Yes.
15,409. Does he keep the post office?-No; but they put the money into his hands, and most of it has been taken out in truck.
He refuses to give me any money except a mere trifle.
15,410. Whom did you make your bargain about these paupers with?-One was with Mr. Johnston of Lerwick, and the other was with Mr. Bruce at Urrafirth.
15,411. Do you not receive post-office orders or money from Mr.
Bruce or Mr. Johnston for the maintenance of these paupers?-It comes to Mr. Greig; I cannot say how it comes.
15,412. Have you ever asked that the money should be sent to you direct?-No.
15,413. Is Mr. Greig a member of the parochial board of Northmaven parish?-I believe he is.
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15,414. But he is not a member of the Lerwick parochial board?- No.
15,415. How does he happen to pay you money for Lerwick parish?-They send it to him.
15,416. Have you ever asked him for the whole of that money in cash?-No.
15,417. Why?-Because he seemed that he would not pay it in cash.
15,418. How did he seem so?-He said he would not do so, and that there was no use of him taking the trouble if I would not take the greater part of it out in truck.
15,419. When did he say that to you?-He has said it to me several times. He said it some time after I got the first pauper, who belonged to Northmaven. That is about two years back.
15,420. Did he say it to you when you went for the first payment?-Yes.
15,421. Had you not run up an account at his shop before the money was due?-I had not.
15,422. Did you owe him anything then?-I owed him nothing.
He was my landmaster then, but I did not owe him anything.
15,423. Is that money paid quarterly?-It is paid monthly here.
15,424. Did you ever ask Mr. Greig for a monthly payment in cash?-I did not.
15,425. Why?-I cannot tell. I suppose it was because we always had his shop to go to for things that we required for the paupers, and we thought we need not ask for cash.
15,426. Were you not always due him as much as the monthly payment before it became due?-I was not.
15,427. Were you not due him something?-Yes, a small thing, but not the whole of the money.
15,428. Did you ever ask him for the balance in money?-Yes.
15,429. Did you get it?-Yes.
15,430. Then, when was it that Mr. Greig said he could not give it to you in money, but that you must take it out in truck?-Just when they sent the paupers to me.
15,431. Are you sure there was not something due to Mr. Greig then for supplies to the paupers?-There was nothing due.
15,432. Had you not got any supplies from him for these women before the first payment was due?-Yes, I got what I wanted whenever I asked it.
15,433. Then there was something due to him for that?-Yes; he never refused to give me anything for them as soon as I came for it.
15,434. There was something due to him for these supplies at the time when the first monthly payment became due?-Yes, but not to the whole amount of it.
15,435. Why did you say that you were not due him anything?-I had to take out the things because I could not get the money.
15,436. Did you ask him for the balance?-I did.
15,437. How much was there due to you at that time?-I cannot tell, because we don"t keep accounts.
15,438. Have you no pa.s.s-book?-No.
15,439. Did Mr. Greig actually say to you that you must take your payment in truck?-He said we must take part of it in truck, and that he would not pay it all in money.
15,440. Did he use the word truck?-Yes.
15,441. Did he not say that you were to take part of it in goods?- Goods were the same as truck, and he meant that we were to take meal or tea, or anything, out of his shop.
15,442. But what did he actually say?-He said we must take goods out of his shop for part of the money, because he could not pay it all in money. He said that the first time I went to him.
15,443. When did he say it again?-He said it very often.
15,444. When did he say it last?-This winter.
15,445. Where did he say it?-In his shop at North Roe.
15,446. Were you asking for money at that time?-Yes. I asked him then for the 13s. which came for the pauper from Lerwick, and he said he would give me that, but that he need not have the trouble of paying it all down in money.
15,447. Had you not got a lot of supplies at that time?-No.
15,448. Do you swear that, when you asked him for the 13s., you were owing him nothing for supplies?-I was owing him nothing.
15,449. Had you got any supplies from him before that?-I had got nothing from him for the pauper from Lerwick.
15,450. But had you got supplies for your own household?-I had; but I was due him nothing.
15,451. Had all the supplies that you had got from Mr. Greig for other parties up to that time been paid for?-They were all paid for when I asked for the 13s.
15,452. Had you any account due at the-shop at that time?-I cannot tell. I don"t think it. There could be nothing due.