1291. Did you sell them to your neighbours?-I could not sell them to my neighbours, because they were in the same state as I was myself.
1292. Where did you sell them?-Sometimes we would take a little and fall in with a boy or a laddie, who would buy a bit of cloth from us, or the like of that, at a reduced price and thus help us to get a few shillings.
1293. To what boys or lads did you sell these goods?-Just to any lad that would buy them. Perhaps my own lad would be going elsewhere, such as to the sea, where he would be paid by a fee; and sometimes I would get a bit of goods and give it to my boy, and he would pay me for it with a few shillings out of his fee and that would serve my ends for the time.
1294. Had you anything to sell off your farm?-Yes.
1295. You sold a beast now and then?-Yes; but Mouat took the whole of them.
1296. Did he buy your beasts too?-Yes.
1297. Did you not have liberty to sell them to other people?-No, we had no liberty at all; because he said we were under the same obligation with regard to beasts and eggs and all the produce of our farms as we were under with regard to the fish, and therefore, if he got the one, he compelled us to give him the other too.
1298. When did he tell you that about the beasts and the eggs?- He told us about it in the same year that he took the tack.
1299. Did you ever try to sell them to another?-Yes, I tried that sometimes.
1300. To whom did you try to sell them?-To any one who came round asking for such things; but I knew that if I did such a thing, and Mouat came to know about it, I must be prepared to take to my heels and fly.
1301. Did you ever actually sell any of the produce of your farm to another than Mouat?-I never sold any, except one little horse; and I sold it when I was in starvation for meal. That was towards the end of Mouat"s tack.
1302. How long ago was it?-I think it is two years past.
1303. Who did you sell it to?-I sold it to a man in the neighbourhood of Quarff.
1304. What was his name?-Andrew Jamieson, he lives at Quarff now.
1305. What did you get for it?-I got 2; it was a small beast
1306. Did Mouat know that you had sold that beast to Jamieson?-Yes, and as soon as he heard about it he sent for me, and told me what he was determined to do, and that I might prepare myself for going.
1307. How long was that before he failed?-I think I only paid one year after that.
1308. Do you mean that there was only one settlement with him after that?-Yes.
1309. When you were making your settlements, I suppose it was the previous Whitsunday and Martinmas rents that you settled for at each?-Yes.
1310. How long would it be before the settlement that you sold the horse?-I sold it after the settlement for the year. Mouat knew that I had a pony to sell and he wanted me to give it to him. I said that I would give him the pony as he told me I was bound to do it but he must bring me some meal, because it was a very bad season, and I could not sow down my ground. He would not bring me any meal and therefore I resolved that, whatever might happen to me whether I should be put out or not, I would sell my animal and procure a living for my house; and I did so.
1311. At what time of the year did you sell it?-In March.
1312. That would be shortly after the settlement?-Yes.
1313. How long was it after that when Mouat told you that you must leave?-Just about eight days-as soon as he heard it.
1314. But he did not turn you off?-No.
1315. Could he not have turned you off at the following Whitsunday term?-Yes; he could have turned me off then.
1316. But he did not do it?-No; because I went to the proprietor, Mr. Bruce, and told him what I had done, and what Mouat was going to do to me. I don"t know what took place between Mr.
Bruce and Mouat about that, but I did not get my warning?
1317. What did Mr. Bruce say to you about it when you saw him?-He said very little. I went to him, and also to the factor, Mr. Irvine, and told him about it. I got no satisfaction at the time, and therefore I expected I would be turned off; but in the end I was not put off the ground.
1318. That would be in the spring of 1870?-Yes.
1319. Have you paid any rent to Mr. Irvine or to Mr Bruce this year?-Yes; I paid my rent about six weeks ago.
1320. To whom do you deliver your fish now?-To any one I choose.
1321. Who did you fish for last season?-For Mr. Robertson.
1322. Where do you get your goods now?-I can get them from Mr. Robertson. He bought Mouat"s store in Channerwick.
1323. Do you still get your goods there?-Yes.
1324. Are you bound to get them there?-We are not bound particularly, because if we ask Mr. Robertson for a few shillings of money during the time we are fishing for him, we will get them.
1325. Have you got money from him since he took that store?- Yes; I got my rent from him this year.
1326. You mean, that you got money from him to pay your rent?- Yes.
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was turned away for selling his fish or the produce of his farm to another merchant than during the seventeen years he held the tack?-I cannot mention any one particularly, except an old man who was turned off his farm; but that was a good while ago. His name was Henry Sinclair, in Levenwick. That occurred about the beginning of Mouat"s tack.
1328. What was he turned out for?-For an "outfall" about some fishing.
1329. What had he done with his fish?-It was his son that the thing occurred with.
1330. What had his son done?-His son got into some sort of dispute with Mouat about fishing, I can not tell what the cause of it was exactly; but Mouat gave him warning, and sent him off the property that he was staying on. Sinclair took a little bit of scattald outside of the premises, and built a house on it, and he is living there in a very mean condition.
1331. Did the other people in the neighbourhood take that case as a warning?-Yes.
1332. It frightened them, did it?-Yes; Shetland people are of that nature, to be frightened by such things-very much to their hurt.
1333. Do you know of any other person who was turned off in the same way?-No, I don"t remember of any other person being turned off; because Mouat had no occasion to turn them off. They did not transgress his law.
1334. Do you know of any other who was threatened to be turned off?-Every one of us was threatened, the next man was threatened, and we were all threatened; so that we were frightened.
1335. Do you know of any person who sold his fish or his beasts or eggs to another than Mouat?-Towards the end of his tack, in the very last fishing when I fished for him, my family and I were in a state of starvation for want of meal. I have seen me out at sea under him for two days and part of a third, on two pounds of meal; and I saw that I must make some effort for a living, Accordingly I went to another store close by and gave them some of the fish I had caught, and got some meal from them. If Mouat"s tack had continued longer, I have no doubt I would have been punished for that; but as it was nearly broken, he did not have it in his power to do me any hurt.
1336. Did Mouat speak to you about that?-Yes. There came a letter from him to the people in the neighbourhood, because some of them did take their liberty and go away.
1337. Was that in the last year of his tack?-Yes.
1338. What kind of letters were these?-They were letters from Mouat telling them not to prepare their turf or anything to keep them in their farms, because they had their warning to go. I got a letter as well as the rest.
1339. Did it refer to the fish that you had sold to the other merchant?-Yes.