1340. Have you got that letter?-I don"t know. I don"t know what became of it. I think I burnt it; but there ought to be letters in the neighbourhood that came from Mouat at that time.
1341. You said you did not get all the goods you wanted at Mouat"s shop. What were the goods you asked for and could not get?-I generally asked for little tea.
1342. Could you not get that?-Yes, I always got that, and I could get a bit of cotton or anything out of the store that I wanted.
1343. Did you get the tackle you wanted for your fishing from him?-Yes.
1344. And clothes for your family?-I could get clothes for my family if I asked for them. Sometimes I did get a little clothing from him.
1345. Was it princ.i.p.ally meal and tea that you got from Mouat?- Yes; and if his meal had been grain, it would have been good enough; but as it was, it was not fit for human food.
1346. You mean that it was not of good quality?-It was not; and we paid at the dearest rate for it.
1347. How do you know that?-Because we heard it from the storeman who sold it to us. Mouat had a storeman in the shop; and when we got the meal from him, he told us what the price of it was.
1348. Had you a pa.s.s-book?-We sometimes had a pa.s.s-book, but it was not always taken there; and besides, the storeman was not very willing to be bothered with it.
1349. Did you ever ask the price of meal and tea in Lerwick?- Yes.
1350. Did you ever buy these articles in Lerwick when you happened to have some money?-Yes, sometimes when I had any money I did so; but it was very little money that ever I had, because where could we get it, when we could get no money at all for our fishing?
1351. Have you bought these articles in Lerwick within the last two or three years?-Yes.
1352. Did you find the Lerwick meal better and cheaper than what you got from Mouat?-Yes; the Lerwick meal was grain, but Mouat"s meal was nothing but the refuse of the worst that was given to us poor fishing slaves.
1353. Then the complaint you have to make is only about what is past?-Yes; about how I was treated during the seventeen years I was under Mouat. I have nothing to say against Mr. Robert Bruce, or against Mr. Robertson either, with regard to our present condition.
1354. You are quite content with your way of dealing at present?-Yes, I have nothing to say against that, but I am frightened for the future.
1355. Have you a boat of your own?-No.
1356. How do you do for a boat?-I generally arrange with some fish-curer, and he procures me a boat, and takes a hire for it for the season.
1357. How much is the hire?-The hire, as a general rule, has been 2 for three months, or 3, 10s. for the whole season.
1358. Is that the way you did with Mr. Robertson last year?-Yes.
1359. You got goods at his store?-Yes.
1360. As many goods as you wanted during the fishing season?- Yes.
1361. And a little money when you asked for it?-Yes.
1362. How much money would you get at a time from him?-If I asked Mr. Robertson for 5s. or 2s. or 6s., I would get it, according as I asked for it.
1363. If you asked for the whole of your earnings in money, and took no goods out of Mr. Robertson"s store, is it likely that you would get the money, so that you could go elsewhere and buy your goods?-I could not say anything about that, because I did not ask it.
1364. You don"t wish to go anywhere else?-No; I have not tried that.
1365. Do you think the quality of Mr. Robertson"s goods is better than Mouat"s?-Oh, Mouat"s was nothing at all.
1366. Have you any daughters in your family who knit?-I have two.
1367. Do they knit their own worsted?-Yes; they make worsted for themselves from the wool of our own sheep.
1368. Do they go into Lerwick to sell the articles they have made?-They do.
1369. To whom do they sell them?-To anybody; they do not knit for a merchant. They go to any merchant they choose and sell their shawls, because the worsted with which they are made is their own. If they go into one store with the shawl, and the price is not suitable, they go into the next one.
1370. How are they paid for their shawls?-They are paid in goods at any store where they can sell them.
1371. Do they ever ask for money?-They have asked for it often, but they have never got it; and therefore they say there is no use asking for it, because they know they won"t get it.
1372. Are you satisfied with the value of the goods they get in exchange for their shawls?-Sometimes, but not always.
Sometimes the goods which they get [Page 28] in exchange are not worth the value put upon them. Sometimes they get cottons for 10d. which are not worth above 8d.
1373. How do you know that?-Because I see the quality of them.
1374. Have they told you the price which the merchant has charged for them?-Yes; and sometimes when my daughters have knitted a shawl, and it is ready to go to the dresser, there may be no money in the house to pay for the dressing of it, and it has to be paid in money. I have known my daughters detained in that way for some days, until I went to a neighbour and borrowed a shilling to pay for the dressing of the shawl, or until I could sell something off the farm; and then, when the shawl was dressed, they went to the merchant with it and sold it to him for goods, according to the custom.
1375. Can your daughters not dress the shawls themselves?-No; they are shawl-makers, but not shawl-dressers. Their dresser is Mrs. Arcus, at the Docks.
1376. Is she the only dresser here?-No; there are other dressers than her, but she is the only one that my daughters go to.
1377. Would she not give them credit for the dressing?-No.
1378. She always requires ready money for that?-Yes; she might give credit to a girl living in the town, but I live sixteen miles from Lerwick, and she would not give credit to a party living at that distance.
1379. How long have your daughters knitted?-A long time now.
There is one of them twenty-seven years of age, and she has knitted since she was about eighteen.
1380. Have you ever seen your daughters bring home money for their knitting?-No; I never saw a shilling come into our house in my life which had been got for a shawl. I have paid out several shillings for the dressing of the shawls but I never saw any money given in for them.
1381. Is there anything more you wish to say?-No.
Lerwick, January 3, 1872, GAVIN COLVIN, examined.
1382. Are you a fisherman?-Yes.
1383. Where?-In Levenwick, Sandwick parish.
1384. Was the ground there held in tack by Robert Mouat at one time?-Yes.
1385. How long have you been there?-I have been there all my life.
1386. What was your rent when you held your land under Mouat?-It was 4, excluding poor-rates and road money.
1387. That was what you paid to Mouat?-Yes.