The last word struck me.
"You"ve mentioned so many adjectives, however, that it would be strange if one didn"t describe him."
"Or all at once."
"Yes, and that"s what Liputin really is-he"s a chaos. He was lying this morning when he said you were writing something, wasn"t he?
"Why should he?" he said, scowling again and staring at the floor.
I apologised, and began a.s.suring him that I was not inquisitive. He flushed.
"He told the truth; I am writing. Only that"s no matter."
We were silent for a minute. He suddenly smiled with the childlike smile I had noticed that morning.
"He invented that about heads himself out of a book, and told me first himself, and understands badly. But I only seek the causes why men dare not kill themselves; that"s all. And it"s all no matter."
"How do you mean they don"t dare? Are there so few suicides?"
"Very few."
"Do you really think so?"
He made no answer, got up, and began walking to and fro lost in thought.
"What is it restrains people from suicide, do you think?" I asked.
He looked at me absent-mindedly, as though trying to remember what we were talking about.
"I... I don"t know much yet.... Two prejudices restrain them, two things; only two, one very little, the other very big."
"What is the little thing?"
"Pain."
"Pain? Can that be of importance at such a moment?"
"Of the greatest. There are two sorts: those who kill themselves either from great sorrow or from spite, or being mad, or no matter what... they do it suddenly. They think little about the pain, but kill themselves suddenly. But some do it from reason-they think a great deal."
"Why, are there people who do it from reason?"
"Very many. If it were not for superst.i.tion there would be more, very many, all."
"What, all?"
He did not answer.
"But aren"t there means of dying without pain?"
"Imagine"-he stopped before me-"imagine a stone as big as a great house; it hangs and you are under it; if it falls on you, on your head, will it hurt you?"
"A stone as big as a house? Of course it would be fearful."
"I speak not of the fear. Will it hurt?"
"A stone as big as a mountain, weighing millions of tons? Of course it wouldn"t hurt."
"But really stand there and while it hangs you will fear very much that it will hurt. The most learned man, the greatest doctor, all, all will be very much frightened. Every one will know that it won"t hurt, and every one will be afraid that it will hurt."
"Well, and the second cause, the big one?"
"The other world!"
"You mean punishment?"
"That"s no matter. The other world; only the other world."
"Are there no atheists, such as don"t believe in the other world at all?"
Again he did not answer.
"You judge from yourself, perhaps."
"Every one cannot judge except from himself," he said, reddening. "There will be full freedom when it will be just the same to live or not to live. That"s the goal for all."
"The goal? But perhaps no one will care to live then?"
"No one," he p.r.o.nounced with decision.
"Man fears death because he loves life. That"s how I understand it," I observed, "and that"s determined by nature."
"That"s abject; and that"s where the deception comes in." His eyes flashed. "Life is pain, life is terror, and man is unhappy. Now all is pain and terror. Now man loves life, because he loves pain and terror, and so they have done according. Life is given now for pain and terror, and that"s the deception. Now man is not yet what he will be. There will be a new man, happy and proud. For whom it will be the same to live or not to live, he will be the new man. He who will conquer pain and terror will himself be a G.o.d. And this G.o.d will not be."
"Then this G.o.d does exist according to you?"
"He does not exist, but He is. In the stone there is no pain, but in the fear of the stone is the pain. G.o.d is the pain of the fear of death. He who will conquer pain and terror will become himself a G.o.d. Then there will be a new life, a new man; everything will be new... then they will divide history into two parts: from the gorilla to the annihilation of G.o.d, and from the annihilation of G.o.d to..."
"To the gorilla?"
"... To the transformation of the earth, and of man physically. Man will be G.o.d, and will be transformed physically, and the world will be transformed and things will be transformed and thoughts and all feelings. What do you think: will man be changed physically then?"
"If it will be just the same living or not living, all will kill themselves, and perhaps that"s what the change will be?"
"That"s no matter. They will kill deception. Every one who wants the supreme freedom must dare to kill himself. He who dares to kill himself has found out the secret of the deception. There is no freedom beyond; that is all, and there is nothing beyond. He who dares kill himself is G.o.d. Now every one can do so that there shall be no G.o.d and shall be nothing. But no one has once done it yet."
"There have been millions of suicides."
"But always not for that; always with terror and not for that object. Not to kill fear. He who kills himself only to kill fear will become a G.o.d at once."