11,808. Are accounts kept with any of these men?-With one of them who superintends the bringing home of the oysters, there is an account kept.
11,809. How often is that account settled?-Just whenever he wants a settlement. He always gets money with him to disburse for current expenses, and he is permitted to take from that whatever he wants for his own use; and if he requires more money, then there is a settlement.
11,810. Do you mean that you settle with him whenever he wants a new advance?-No. He always has some money of mine in his hands, and he has authority to use that both in paying the men who are fishing for me, and for his own use.
11,811. But when that money is exhausted he comes and gets a new supply?-He settles for that money, and what he has taken for his own use is put to his own account, and his own account is settled whenever he wishes to see how we stand.
That is done frequently; and I have the book here which is kept with him. [Produces pa.s.s-book.] This [showing] is the cash he gets for the general account, 7, 13s. 4d., and then 10, and then 3, 17s. 2d. At that time he was in a different trade; he was collecting sh.e.l.l-fish. Then he buys produce, and the account is balanced at the end of October, when he has 5 still on hand to give me. Here [showing] the account balanced again, and he had 2 still on hand.
11,812. You keep that pa.s.s-book with that man; but not with the other fishermen whom he employs?-No. They just get their money.
11,813. Where are these men employed?-In St. Magnus Bay.
11,814. That is a long way from here?-Yes.
11,815. These are not the men that are paid in your shop?-The men who bring the oysters are paid in the shop, and sometimes one of these men may come along with the other man to help him to bring home the lobsters, and then they are all paid in the shop.
11,816. But not the others who do not come?-No. The man who has charge of the fishing for me takes the money with him to pay them when he goes back.
11,817. I understood you to say that when the men came with oysters and lobsters to the shop, and were paid, they generally took away some supplies from the shop?-They generally do but they are not asked to do it.
11,818. Do they appear to think it a fair and proper thing that they should do so?-I think they do. I have heard them remark that they ought to spend the money where they get it.
11,819. Is that a common sort of feeling among the men?-Yes, it is a common feeling in the country.
11,820. In short, they apologize if they don"t spend the money in the shop where they get it?-Something like that I should not say, that they apologize, but sometimes they tell me what they want the money for, and they say they have to take it away. Of course, they are not asked to leave it.
11,821. But there seems to be a kind of understanding that they are to spend part of their earnings in the shop?-The people seem to have the opinion that they ought to do that.
11,822. And I suppose the merchant has some feeling of the same kind also?-I never ask them to spend the money in the shop; but, of course, we are glad to get what money we can.
11,823. I suppose they don"t require to be asked to spend some of it?-No.
11,824. Are you engaged in the hosiery trade at all?-I once bought a little, just to try the trade, but I gave it up. My experience of it was that it would not pay. Being the only one about here who gave [Page 290] meal for the hosiery, it was princ.i.p.ally meal that was taken, and I found no profit on it.
11,825. Then that would lead you to form the opinion that it would not pay unless soft goods were taken in return for the hosiery?- Unless goods were taken on which a heavy profit was got, I did not see that it could pay me; but I tried the trade for so short a time that I could hardly say I gave a fair trial, or that I could speak so well about it as one who had tried it for years.
11,826. Do you not think it would be a more expedient system if hosiery goods were paid in cash, according to prices regulated by the demand, and that the merchants should make a fair profit upon the hosiery itself?-That is my opinion. I believe that everything ought to be paid for in cash, at a fair price to allow a profit.
11,827. Have you had many cases coming under your observation in which women have been unable to obtain the necessaries of life without bartering away the goods they have obtained for their hosiery?-I have known few cases of that kind.
11,828. Have you been induced to purchase goods from these women?-No.
11,829. Have you known parties who have done so?-No. They have been offered in my shop, but I have never bought any of them.
11,830. Have they been frequently offered?- Not very frequently; but I have no doubt, if I had begun to buy them, they would have been offered more frequently.
11,831. Do women generally expect to get the full price for the goods which they offer?-I just refused to buy them. I never came to the question of price at all, because if I had begun to buy goods in that way, my trade would have degenerated entirely into an agency for that sort of barter.
11,832. Are you aware whether there are parties in the country whose princ.i.p.al trade consists in purchasing goods from such women and selling them again?-I am not aware of any.
11,833. You don"t know whether there are hawkers or pedlars who live in that way?-I don"t know. I think it is only right for me to say that it takes a long time to settle with Shetland men owing to them not being able to read accounts, and that may account for the fact that they settle so seldom. I believe that if crew were to settle every three months, it might take them a whole day to carry through that settlement.
11,834. Is that from defective education in arithmetic?-Yes, from defective education.
11,835. Shetland men generally seem a very intelligent and well-educated cla.s.s of men for their rank of life?-Some of them are.
11,836. Do you think they are further back in arithmetic than in other branches of education?-I think so.
11,837. How do you account for that?-I cannot account for it.
11,838. In what way have you ascertained that fact?-In settling with the few men that I have had dealings with.
11,839. Don"t you think that if pa.s.s-books were kept regularly the settlement would become a shorter process than it is?-Yes; but many of them would not be able to read the pa.s.s-books, and of course they would be of little use to them. Still, a great many now can read them, because the boys are being better educated, and I think the country is getting ripe for a new system. I think it right you add that pa.s.s-books, as a matter of course, should be given to every one having accounts.
11,840. But suppose the parties having accounts don"t choose to bring pa.s.s-books with them, and neglect to keep them up, are they not themselves to blame?-Yes; the merchants cannot help that.
11,841. Don"t you think it would be as easy for the fishermen to have the price of their fish entered in the fish book at the time they are delivered, and the calculation of the whole value made at that time: the amount of each take of fish is entered in the fish book when it is landed?-I suppose so, but I have no experience of that.
11,842. Might the price not be entered as easily?-I should think so; but that will be a question for those who are engaged in the trade. I can see no reason why it should not be done; but I understand the custom of the country is to fix the price afterwards at the end of the season.
11,843. But the price might be fixed according to the current price at the end of the season?-I have had no experience on that matter, and I cannot say.*
11,844. If you don"t drive a credit trade, I suppose you don"t keep any books except a day-book?-I just keep a day-book and ledger, for the wholesale trade. There are no retail transactions that pa.s.s through my books at all. The ledger contains the names of those I deal with in the south.
11,845. Are the prices at which you sell provisions higher or lower than those at which they are sold in the neighbouring shops?-It would be impossible for me to say exactly; but I think they are about the same.
11,846. What is the retail price of meal just now in your shop?-It is 141/2d. per peck.
11,847. And of flour?-There are two kinds, one at 1s. and on at 13d. Meal is always 1/2d. peck dearer in Scalloway than in Lerwick, on account of the cartage.
11,848. Is there no meal brought here by sea?-Very little.
11,849. Have you many business transactions with the inhabitants of Burra?-Yes, some.
11,850. Do some of the men purchase at your shop the supplies they require for their families?-Yes, occasionally.
11,851. Do they do so for ready money, or upon credit?-Either for ready money or for eggs.
11,852. Do they sell all their eggs to you?-I don"t know. I think they sell to all the grocers in the village.
11,853. In what way are their eggs paid for?-The eggs are generally paid for in barter at one price, and [Page 291] in cash at another price; but, for the last three months, I have bought them at the barter price for cash. The present price is 9d. per dozen, whether paid for in goods or cash, but they are very seldom sold for cash.
11,854. What is the kind of goods generally taken in exchange for eggs?-Everything we sell-tea, sugar, meal, bread, and soft goods.
11,855. Do you export a number of the eggs you buy?-Yes. They are sent south by the steamer.
11,856. Have there been any whales driven in here, while you have been resident in Scalloway?-There was one shoal of whales driven into the bay below this place since I came here. They were sold by auction. Mr. Garriock, of Reawick, managed the sale.
The parties concerned in the capture got two-thirds of the proceeds of the oil as their share.