12,620. Who do you fish for?-Mr. Adie.
12,621. Are you bound to fish for Mr. Adie, or can you engage to fish with anybody you like?-We are bound to fish for Mr. Adie.
12,622. How do you know that?-Because Mr. Adie told us we were not at liberty to fish for any other man except him.
12,623. When did he tell you that?-I cannot state the date exactly, but it has been since I commenced to fish there, eighteen years ago. That was the time when the agreement was made last.
12,624. What agreement?-That we were to deliver all our produce, fish, and every other thing, to him, and to no one else.
12,625. If you chose to fish for anybody else, what was the penalty to be?-That we were to be removed from our crofts.
12,626. Has any person been removed for fishing to another than Mr. Adie?-None, for there have been no offenders.
12,627. How many people are in these lands?-There are almost 130 of a population, old and young. There are six boats belonging to the islands that fish for Mr. Adie.
12,628. Do a number of people come there in the summer time from other places to fish?-Yes. They fish both to Mr. Adie and to Mr. Robertson. These are the only two who employ men there.
12,629. Has Mr. Robertson a station and a shop there?-Yes; he has a store for supplying his fishermen.
12,630. Is it open all the year round?-No, only during the fishing season.
12,631. Where do you get your supplies?-From Mr. Adie"s shop at Skerries. It is open all the year round, and is kept by Robert Umphray.
12,632. Do you pay for your supplies at the time you get them, or do you settle for them at the end of the year?-Sometimes at the end of the year, and sometimes not for fifteen months.
12,633. How does it happen that you are sometimes fifteen months in settling?-We live in an isolated place, and Mr. Adie"s people cannot sometimes get conveniently exactly at the twelvemonth"s end, but they make arrangements to come when they please.
12,634. Is it sometimes late in the spring before they come to settle?-Sometimes we have not settled until March, but the usual time is at Martinmas.
12,635. Have you any objection to that state of things?-The only objection I have to it is that we do not have our freedom to fish to the person who will pay us best, and we should also like to be able to get our goods from the best market we can, and at the cheapest price we can.,
12,636. Can you not get your goods from any market you please just now?-No.
12,637. Why?-Because we cannot get our pay in hand.
12,638. Can you not get cash from Mr. Adie or from Mr. Umphray when you ask for it?-Yes, if we have it to get.
12,639. If you want supplies during the season, before the settlement comes, do you get them?-Yes, we can get our supplies then, as far as our earnings are likely to cover them.
12,640. Have you ever been restricted?-Yes; they only allow us to go so far as our earnings are likely to pay, and no further.
12,641. Have you ever been refused supplies?-Yes. I cannot give the date of that, but I have been put on an allowance both of meal and other things.
12,642. Did you get a certain amount of goods from the store each week?-Yes, each Sat.u.r.day night.
12,643. How often have you been put upon that allowance?-That is always done, unless we can clear ourselves in Mr. Adies book.
12,644. When were you last put upon an allowance?-In 1869.
12,645. Was that a year of scarcity?-In our isolated place there is generally scarcity, because our crops are scanty.
12,646. Are they not sufficient to keep your families all the year round?-No.
12,647. Therefore you have every year to buy a certain amount of meal from Mr. Adie?-Yes, we have generally to buy about six months" provisions from him.
12,648. Were you put on an allowance in 1869 because you were in debt?-Yes
12,649. What allowance was made to you then?-Three pecks of meal a week; and there are seven of us in the family.
12,650. Was that less than you required?-Of course it was, but I could get no more.
12,651. How much do you use when you are not upon an allowance?-I could not say exactly, because when I can buy it for myself I take no notice. I think, however, we would require about five pecks a week.
12,652. Did you find the allowance of three pecks to be too small for you?-Of course we did.
12,653. Was the rest of the island put upon an allowance at that time?-All the indebted men were.
12,654. Were there many of them?-Most of the men in Skerries, in the fishing line were in debt at that time.
12,655. At what season of the year was that?-In summer.
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12,656. Were there a number of men at that time in the island who did not live there?-Yes, a great number.
12,657. Were they put on an allowance too?-I could not say as to that. I can only speak of those who live constantly in the island, and more especially myself.
12,658. Do you not think it was quite reasonable, that if a person to whom you were due money was to continue to make you further advances, he should use his own discretion as to the amount of these advances?-Of course, if I got the goods at the market price.
I think I ought to have got my meal, or whatever I was requiring, at the market price in Lerwick, adding something for freight.
12,659. Did you not get it at that rate?-No; I found that I could buy meal 7s. per sack cheaper in Lerwick than in Skerries; and from that down to the lowest thing we got, it was generally charged one-third more than it could be got for in Lerwick or any place near to it. I have paid for a sack of meal at Mr. Adie"s station at Skerries, when I could have got it from any merchant in Lerwick at 50s. or 51s.
12,660. That was a difference of 10s.: when did you do that?-I could not say, but I have done it. I think it was about four years back.
12,661. Was that before 1869, when you were put on an allowance?-Yes.
12,662. Were you in debt at that time?-Yes.
12,663. Did you get an advance of a sack of meal at a time, and were charged 61s. for it?-Yes.
12,664. Where could you have got it in Lerwick for 50s. or 51s.?- From Mr. John Robertson, senior. I got it from him at that, and paid the cash down.
12,665. Did you get another sack from Mr. Adie at the same time?-Yes, at the same date.
12,666. Did you get both of these supplies within month of each other?-Within a month or two.
12,667. Have you any pa.s.s-book or any paper to show that?-No.